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Sensuality: Within and Beyond Sexuality - KinkForAll Providence (by Emma Gross)

A lot of people think sex mostly has to do with orgasm. I am being educated out of this concept.

Turns out that there’s a lot of sex that doesn’t have to do with orgasm. There’s a lot of leading up to orgasm. And, in fact, you can keep that leading up to orgasm going on for months.

[Laughter.]

And that’s great! Man, can you focus on your senses! In fact, you can’t focus on anything else. :)

[Audience: “And sometimes, you can do it by choice!”]

Sometimes some people do it by choice. Some people do it by my choice.

[Laughter; applause.]


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This 3-part Venn diagram theorizes “sexuality,” “intimacy,” and “kink” as distinct entities that overlap at certain points. Sexuality contains “masturbation” and “casual encounters,” intimacy contains “cuddles” and “smooches,” and kink contains “non-sexual kink play.” The overlap of sexuality and kink creates “sexual kink,” the overlap of sexuality and intimacy creates “vanilla,” the overlap of intimacy and kink creates “chastity/service,” and the three overlap in the center to create a “full mix.”
There is so much wrong with this diagram and the post it accompanied, but it’s nevertheless worth reading:
mooserrific:

vanillaedge:

From Dishevelled Domina: Kink, Sexuality, and Intimacy

Take home message for me:

As members of a kink community, we are particularly open with our sexual attitudes. We discuss sexual topics that are normally taboo, and we revel in our kink with each other. Why aren’t we so open about intimacy though? Why do we still reserve that for the special at-home times or our semi-private after-care corners?
Intimacy is so important to me, my sexuality, and my kink – I expected the local groups to be a bit more open about that kind of stuff. I expect it to be better represented in the porn field. I find anything without to feel hollow and shallow. I was actually taken aback by how hidden that part of us is, and how absent it is from the public view, when attending local munches even.
Can’t we strive to do better?


I felt compelled to leave a comment:

As a personal exposition, this is probably a really valuable post. Good on you for writing and publishing it.
However, as written, this post has so many problems I don’t even know where to begin to unpack it. So I’ll start with the most glaring problem of all: not once in your entire post do you use the term “BDSM”, instead using “kink” to represent what is so obviously referring to the semi-public BDSM Scene. If you had simply replaced every occurrence of the term “kink” or “kinky” with the term “BDSM,” this post would be an order of magnitude better than it is.
As for further discussions of intimacy, I’ll simply encourage you to at least rethink if not totally drop the term “friends,” and to understand that the BDSM culture’s discourse expresses intimacy as consensual yet violative risk-taking (not happy-feeling-intimacy but scary-feeling-intimacy; think horror movies, not romantic comedies).
So intimacy, counter to your assertion, is actually visibly there at the munches and in the disgusting porn you and I both hate so much. It’s just that the BDSM community’s discourse makes the truly pathetic blunder of mistaking the representation of intimacy (the fashion, the scowls, the attitude) for intimacy itself.
The relationships BDSM’ers have become not with one another, but with their own fetishes.
Most of them love their whips and don’t know how to love the people on the other end.

I was asked to clarify, so I did:


[I]n real life, we have “kink” parties and “kink” munches and we don’t really use the BDSM term all that much.

And you want to be like the munches and parties you dislike…why, weezie? Are you part of this group you dislike? Is that why you write “we”? And if you are, why are you letting this groupthink determine your use of language, which is arguably the most powerful tool for change you have as a writer?
Your behavior seems self-defeating to me, and since I don’t believe you intend to sabotage your own effectiveness, I have to conclude you are instead simply writing without thinking.

How do you differ between the [“kink” and “BDSM”]?

*Sigh.* Read. Think. Watch. (Yes, these are the same links as before.)
I’ve seen SOME very rare moments of (“normal”) intimacy. I’ve seen loving looks, embraces, smooches, cuddles, and everything else I’d expect to see at “intimate” events… I’ve just seen it once or twice. I want more of THAT, whatever that was. :/
Same with porn: Almost all porn is devoid of feeling. However, Dishevelled Domina’s Tumblr Porn is amazing precisely because she hand-picks ones that convey feeling and respect in those intimate moments. I just wish it was easier to find more of it.

Intimacy is presented as scarce for reasons that are larger than the scope of the poisonous BDSM culture, so I would encourage you to forget about BDSM and focus instead on trying to discern intimacy itself. Your question about “where do friends fit in” betrays the fact that your analysis does not actually center on intimacy but rather on the crude representations of it—in this case, the mirage of “friendship” as a stand-in for emotional closeness. In other words, your appraisal falls so short because it suffers from the identical phenomenological misapplication as the BDSM community’s discourse; I think it is laughable at best to analyze others’ legitimate failures (as you have rightfully done to the BDSM community) with a critique that suffers from the same failure as that which you are critiquing.
Forget BDSM, “kinky,” and “vanilla.” Forget “friends,” “lovers,” and “play partners.” None of these words are useful in discerning intimate relations versus superficial ones. Focus on relationships instead.
You seem attracted to more or less the same kind of imagery as I am (I also like Disheveled Domina’s Tumblr), but you aren’t analyzing intimacy objectively, you’re calling the-thing-you-like “intimacy” when in fact it is simply “normal”—your word—manifestations of intimacy. If you continue to fail to recognize that distinction, your approach will at best pathologize non-lovey-dovey expressions of intimacy—expressions that the BDSM community’s discourse emphasizes—because that approach fails to acknowledge that “lovey-dovey” stuff like “cuddling” or “smooching” (also your words) are in no way intrinsically intimate at all.

And after I was asked yet again, I clarified more:


Could you sum up the difference between “kink” and “BDSM” real quick?

Sure, weezie.
“Kink” is to slut as BDSM is to intercourse. Someone who’s “slutty” is simply someone who is more promiscuous than you. Someone who’s “kinky” is simply someone whose sex acts entail less normative behavior than yours.
The term “kink” is used vastly differently depending on whether the person is a practitioner of non-normative sexual behaviors. For example, anal sex is “kinky” to a “sheltered” college girl in Idaho; the same is not true of sex-magic practitioners, for they think “kink” equals BDSM, which is false. (For the most part, so do polyamory community members and, of course, the entire BDSM culture.) Therefore, “kink” is not the same as BDSM. Treating the words as if they are synonyms, however, promotes misunderstanding between the two groups of people commonly, though equally inaccurately, referred to as “vanilla” and “kinky.” Thus, it is a dangerous, self-defeating thing to do.

I don’t yet have the proper vocabulary to be verbally competing at your level. I ask that we instead look at the ideas presented herein, and respond to them. Not the words I use, but the ideas I convey.
As time moves on, my words will get better.

I don’t feel like we’re competing, so it’s telling to hear you say that.
In any event, you know how to reach me when your words “get better.” ‘Til then, good luck on your journey. You’ll hear from me most often when I think you’re doing something harmful to the information landscape of topics I’m passionate about—like using “kink” and “BDSM” as synonyms. It’s not personal, I promise. :)

This 3-part Venn diagram theorizes “sexuality,” “intimacy,” and “kink” as distinct entities that overlap at certain points. Sexuality contains “masturbation” and “casual encounters,” intimacy contains “cuddles” and “smooches,” and kink contains “non-sexual kink play.” The overlap of sexuality and kink creates “sexual kink,” the overlap of sexuality and intimacy creates “vanilla,” the overlap of intimacy and kink creates “chastity/service,” and the three overlap in the center to create a “full mix.”

There is so much wrong with this diagram and the post it accompanied, but it’s nevertheless worth reading:

mooserrific:

vanillaedge:

From Dishevelled Domina: Kink, Sexuality, and Intimacy

Take home message for me:

As members of a kink community, we are particularly open with our sexual attitudes. We discuss sexual topics that are normally taboo, and we revel in our kink with each other. Why aren’t we so open about intimacy though? Why do we still reserve that for the special at-home times or our semi-private after-care corners?

Intimacy is so important to me, my sexuality, and my kink – I expected the local groups to be a bit more open about that kind of stuff. I expect it to be better represented in the porn field. I find anything without to feel hollow and shallow. I was actually taken aback by how hidden that part of us is, and how absent it is from the public view, when attending local munches even.

Can’t we strive to do better?

I felt compelled to leave a comment:

As a personal exposition, this is probably a really valuable post. Good on you for writing and publishing it.

However, as written, this post has so many problems I don’t even know where to begin to unpack it. So I’ll start with the most glaring problem of all: not once in your entire post do you use the term “BDSM”, instead using “kink” to represent what is so obviously referring to the semi-public BDSM Scene. If you had simply replaced every occurrence of the term “kink” or “kinky” with the term “BDSM,” this post would be an order of magnitude better than it is.

As for further discussions of intimacy, I’ll simply encourage you to at least rethink if not totally drop the term “friends,” and to understand that the BDSM culture’s discourse expresses intimacy as consensual yet violative risk-taking (not happy-feeling-intimacy but scary-feeling-intimacy; think horror movies, not romantic comedies).

So intimacy, counter to your assertion, is actually visibly there at the munches and in the disgusting porn you and I both hate so much. It’s just that the BDSM community’s discourse makes the truly pathetic blunder of mistaking the representation of intimacy (the fashion, the scowls, the attitude) for intimacy itself.

The relationships BDSM’ers have become not with one another, but with their own fetishes.

Most of them love their whips and don’t know how to love the people on the other end.

I was asked to clarify, so I did:

[I]n real life, we have “kink” parties and “kink” munches and we don’t really use the BDSM term all that much.

And you want to be like the munches and parties you dislike…why, weezie? Are you part of this group you dislike? Is that why you write “we”? And if you are, why are you letting this groupthink determine your use of language, which is arguably the most powerful tool for change you have as a writer?

Your behavior seems self-defeating to me, and since I don’t believe you intend to sabotage your own effectiveness, I have to conclude you are instead simply writing without thinking.

How do you differ between the [“kink” and “BDSM”]?

*Sigh.* Read. Think. Watch. (Yes, these are the same links as before.)

I’ve seen SOME very rare moments of (“normal”) intimacy. I’ve seen loving looks, embraces, smooches, cuddles, and everything else I’d expect to see at “intimate” events… I’ve just seen it once or twice. I want more of THAT, whatever that was. :/

Same with porn: Almost all porn is devoid of feeling. However, Dishevelled Domina’s Tumblr Porn is amazing precisely because she hand-picks ones that convey feeling and respect in those intimate moments. I just wish it was easier to find more of it.

Intimacy is presented as scarce for reasons that are larger than the scope of the poisonous BDSM culture, so I would encourage you to forget about BDSM and focus instead on trying to discern intimacy itself. Your question about “where do friends fit in” betrays the fact that your analysis does not actually center on intimacy but rather on the crude representations of it—in this case, the mirage of “friendship” as a stand-in for emotional closeness. In other words, your appraisal falls so short because it suffers from the identical phenomenological misapplication as the BDSM community’s discourse; I think it is laughable at best to analyze others’ legitimate failures (as you have rightfully done to the BDSM community) with a critique that suffers from the same failure as that which you are critiquing.

Forget BDSM, “kinky,” and “vanilla.” Forget “friends,” “lovers,” and “play partners.” None of these words are useful in discerning intimate relations versus superficial ones. Focus on relationships instead.

You seem attracted to more or less the same kind of imagery as I am (I also like Disheveled Domina’s Tumblr), but you aren’t analyzing intimacy objectively, you’re calling the-thing-you-like “intimacy” when in fact it is simply “normal”—your word—manifestations of intimacy. If you continue to fail to recognize that distinction, your approach will at best pathologize non-lovey-dovey expressions of intimacy—expressions that the BDSM community’s discourse emphasizes—because that approach fails to acknowledge that “lovey-dovey” stuff like “cuddling” or “smooching” (also your words) are in no way intrinsically intimate at all.

And after I was asked yet again, I clarified more:

Could you sum up the difference between “kink” and “BDSM” real quick?

Sure, weezie.

“Kink” is to slut as BDSM is to intercourse. Someone who’s “slutty” is simply someone who is more promiscuous than you. Someone who’s “kinky” is simply someone whose sex acts entail less normative behavior than yours.

The term “kink” is used vastly differently depending on whether the person is a practitioner of non-normative sexual behaviors. For example, anal sex is “kinky” to a “sheltered” college girl in Idaho; the same is not true of sex-magic practitioners, for they think “kink” equals BDSM, which is false. (For the most part, so do polyamory community members and, of course, the entire BDSM culture.) Therefore, “kink” is not the same as BDSM. Treating the words as if they are synonyms, however, promotes misunderstanding between the two groups of people commonly, though equally inaccurately, referred to as “vanilla” and “kinky.” Thus, it is a dangerous, self-defeating thing to do.

I don’t yet have the proper vocabulary to be verbally competing at your level. I ask that we instead look at the ideas presented herein, and respond to them. Not the words I use, but the ideas I convey.

As time moves on, my words will get better.

I don’t feel like we’re competing, so it’s telling to hear you say that.

In any event, you know how to reach me when your words “get better.” ‘Til then, good luck on your journey. You’ll hear from me most often when I think you’re doing something harmful to the information landscape of topics I’m passionate about—like using “kink” and “BDSM” as synonyms. It’s not personal, I promise. :)


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I don’t believe that off-the-shelf sex toys or equipment can meet everyone’s needs. Commercial products also tend to be very expensive, so DIY alternatives can help to make toys more accessible. Promoting technological empowerment for sexuality and pleasure is about enabling people to build and modify objects around them so they can have the kinds of experiences that they want to have.

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I’m struggling to write an article to continue my contributions to SsexBbox, but I wanted to share this excerpt I feel good about:

This freedom to “connect” with whomever we choose—to exchange ideas with others regardless of geographic constraint—undeniably enriched our intellectual experiences. Is it so hard to imagine the same phenomenon will hold true when we exchange bodily fluids or emotional adventures?

Hopefully, I’ll actually get this piece written. For now, these couple of sentences (along with this tweet) can be a little teaser.


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Japanese pornography is so dominant here [in China] and they really promote the image of young innocent submissive female, and they appear to be underage. I interviewed a lot of guys who say that, yes, this is my primary fantasy. I want to see this submissive girl. What does it mean? I think it means that it gives the guy the sense of empowerment. They can handle the submissive girl. So in this fantasy world, they can deal with this kind of girl, but it doesn’t mean that they have this girl in real life but the fact that they have to probably deal with the quite powerful women around them. In Japan there are studies explaining that this fantasy is a reversal, a sense of weakness and incompetence that Japanese male was like spoiled by mothers also. In China it’s a little bit similar.

[…]

I found a lot of Chinese men and Chinese women have different aspirations…so does it have anything to do with the fact that they create the fantasy of easy submissive girl. Maybe it’s related. It’s a kind of reversal, that they can dream about submissive girl, but in reality, those Chinese men are rejected so badly by Chinese women, for instance on dating sites. The Chinese women are very demanding, and they publicize their requirements. And the Chinese men feel quite bad in a way. So I can see that Hong Kong and China is patriarchic. And I know that in reality, in the workplace, and at home, men have a lot of power. But that’s also just one way of investigating the reality. There’s also other realities where women have a lot of power as well.


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The situation outlined by Maymay ties into the crossover of vanilla Patriarchal society into BDSM’s space. The perception of “manliness” and “masculinity” is indoctrinated as “powerful” and “dominant”. For a man to submit challenges this perception and understanding, and people find it hard to process masculinity as an intersection with submission (to a woman, supposedly weaker and lesser than a man). The logic processing that seems to happen is that the only way for a man to do this is if he himself feels himself to be lesser, lower, worth less (and therefore on some level “worthless”). If he thought highly of himself, or was “self-respecting”, then he would not be able to submit. A lot of work seems to have been done in the BDSM community on dealing with these perceptions of women who submit, and perhaps it is easier to counter those assumptions of low self-worth in a society where a woman is still not quite seen as being the equal of a man (regardless of protestations to the contrary). But that work seems not to have been done in shaping perception of submissive men’s self-perception.

A Femanist View: BDSM theory vs real life, F/m edition

I have no idea how I missed this fantastic post on the subject of entitlement culture manifested in the BDSM Scene and affecting “male bottom/female top” interactions.

See also:


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Musing on “Submissive Men”: Marginalization versus Ostracization

The following is copied from a private conversation, but is interesting insofar as it relates to an oft-misunderstood point: if there are so many submissive men in The BDSM Scene, how can claims of marginalization carry any weight? It’s a fair question but a logical fallacy.

While I’m usually reserved with my own musings because it feels self-indulgent and I’m afraid of it backfiring on me, I figured I’d publish my (very hastily-composed) explanation in the hopes that it…I don’t know…resonates with others, or whatever.

The issue with submissive men being “marginalized” is complicated because there are a few different factors that feed into it that when left unexamined feel as if they are at odds with one another. Here is some reading material on the issue:

http://www.labcoatlingerie.com/2011/08/02/one-of-the-nineteen/

http://maybemaimed.com/2011/06/02/signal-boost-the-devaluation-of-male-submission/

http://www.labcoatlingerie.com/2011/08/09/the-cost-of-devaluing-male-submission-one-token/

In brief, they are not “marginalized” for meanings of “marginalized” that discuss visibility, but rather for meanings of marginalized that discuss worthwhileness. Submissive men are an oft-cited and oft-dismissed group, which seems paradoxical but is not dissimilar from the way that other intersectional issues affect, for example, women of color.[0]

One of the problems is sexism, which we are familiar with. But the other problem is domism, which is not as widely known. Here is a great piece on domism and its effect:

http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/domism-role-essentialism-and-sexism-intersectionality-in-the-bdsm-scene/

The intersection of domism (the privileging of experiences of “dominants” over those of “submissives”) and sexism (the privileging of [hegemonic] masculinity over femininity) results in a situation in which for submissive men to be both masculine and submissive at the same time is culturally impossible, improbable, or difficult. Instead, many submissive men adopt feminine personae in an attempt to create a valid projection of submission. However, this devalues their masculinity and furthers the stereotype of femininity as inherently submissive. See also:

http://maybemaimed.com/2009/10/02/dont-you-fret-sexism-is-alive-and-well-in-bdsm/

and

http://maybemaimed.com/2011/03/31/good-boy-and-other-kinds-of-complicated-sex/

So, long story short(er), submissive men are not “marginalized” insofar as their presence is not noticeable, but rather ostracized to an extent that fractures their self-identity in such a way as to make them unable, even and perhaps especially in sex-positive subcultures, to be fully self-expressed and fulfilled. A submissive man faces many parallel problems that hetero-ciswomen face, [but in different manifestations]: when women complain about having a hard time walking the line between “slutty” and “prudish,” I can relate to the dilemma. For a submissive man, expressing submissiveness is often viewed as an expression of meekness, while expressing masculinity is an expression of dominance.

Neither of these are respectful or accurate. When taken to a cultural extreme, i.e., the formal BDSM community, these group-social perceptions hurt men like me more than most people are willing or able to acknowledge.

Cheers,
-maymay

EXTERNAL REFERENCES:

[0] http://maybemaimed.com/2011/07/16/on-letting-the-world-burn/#replicant-offspring

I’m not entirely sure why I feel particularly insecure about publishing this specific explanation. Maybe I am not confident that my words are correct. But when I am thusly diffident, syndication is preferable to sublimation.


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This is what subtle sexual adultism looks like: Dear Everyone In Fandom Under The Age Of 18,

All right, I’m going to go out on a limb and stir the pot (not to mention mixing my metaphors), because it’s a very gross pot:

mooserrific:

singofthedamage:

[Dear Everyone In Fandom Under The Age Of 18,]

It’s not that I don’t think you should participate in fandom. I myself started at 15. But FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, do not advertise your age anywhere if you are writing/commenting on/or doing art for a story with an adult rating (in other words, PORN). Because that gets REALLY TRICKY for those of us who are adults and have to think about child pornography laws (a blanket term that ALSO includes rules about PROVIDING people under 18 with porn). 

Thank you for your time,

J.

GOD, THIS.

No, fuck that shit.

If you’re under the age of 18 and you want to participate in discussions about real or imagined sex or sexuality of any kind, it’s true you’ve got to do it really carefully for everyone’s sake—yours and others’. On the other hand, that very fact shows just how ageist and puritanical our society is.

I am very glad to hear that people who are legally minors are making themselves and their interest in “adult” sexuality discussions known. I hope these discussions are self-affirming for all parties, and conducted in a way that respects everyone’s participation as well as their personal boundaries. But I am also glad that some of these conversations are clearly making the people with power—the adults—uncomfortable, because it forces them to acknowledge young people’s presence and, more importantly, the validity of their presence.

If you are an adult and you are bothered by having to think about child porn laws, then guess what, you are privileged. You are probably someone who should be on the front fucking lines of fighting against the incredibly harmful censorship and morality laws that are so commonly used to target you and young people under the disingenuous guise of being “for your own protection”!

Because, really, how dare any community encourage behaviors that make it necessary for an individual to lie to protect themselves? What right do you have to pressure someone into lying about their age anymore than you have to pressure them to lie about their sexual orientation or race or gender? And it’s not like this is news; women routinely use gender-neutral or even traditionally male-sounding names online because they are likely to be harassed otherwise. Since this is far less common in fandom, I’d like to think that fandom communities are filled with people who are damn well aware of the pain of feeling ostracized for something about yourself that you are powerless to change—like your gender or age.

Systemically silencing or discouraging youth from participating as empowered, fully self-actualized and self-expressed individuals in sexuality discussions is called sexual adultism and it’s a fucking detestably common behavior pattern I’d like to see ended.

So, wanna fix this problem faster? Stop telling young people to shut up or lie. Encourage them to speak truth to power, support them when they do, and then do your part, too.

Thank you for your time.


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The major Anglo–Saxon states are indeed rooted in a puritanical past, and recent criminal legislation and renewed efforts at censorship appear designed to keep them there – or, more accurately, to keep their populations in that repressive past. For the foreseeable future, BDSM is set to remain a misunderstood if not reviled orientation, excluded from the privileges enjoyed by those living according to mainstream values and conventions, an outcast in the sexual hierarchy established and actively maintained and policed by heteronormative society and all its structures of power.
On the edge: BDSM and heteronormative denigration presented by Daryl Champion at the Socio-Legal Studies Association Annual Conference (Stream: Gender, Sexuality, and the Law)

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