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When “you violated my privacy” really means “I feel butthurt you called out my oppressive behavior”

So, a male-identified person writes a private message to a person perceived to be female on FetLife. The message contained “five paragraphs of sympathetic empathizing in response to a piece I [the female-perceived person] wrote […] and ended with an offer to be there for me if I ever needed anyone to reach out to. And was then followed by a paragraph—and then another message—hitting on me, telling me that I got his panties wet, and asking me out on a date.”

If you need to be convinced that this happens a lot, don’t bother reading further. If, on the other hand, you can already recognize that this interaction paradigm is emblematic of (and active cooperation with) rape culture, you might be moved to write about how angry that makes you. Perhaps you’d write something like this:

[The message I got] was a really perfect encapsulation of casual rape culture as it plays out in flirting—assumptions that I wanted to hear all about how I turned him on, unsolicited advice, suggesting when and how we might meet (next week, and dinner), and exactly zero regard for how I might feel about all of this. And, frustratingly, this came from a person who seemed geeky, educated and submissive—someone I might actually want to get to know.

So I wrote him back. It’s not the most polished response, but I was angry, having recently had a lot of discussions around this exact subject in real life. I’m not publishing the original message because I don’t want to violate this person’s privacy, but I do quote it in my response.

Then, since you wrote it on the Internet, the person who you never identified directly writes to you again and asks you to remove your writing because you “violated” their privacy:

I’m being asked to take down the thread “On Flirting and Rape Culture”, because the person who corresponded with me originally feels their privacy was violated. Can I ping you for some advice? My instinct tends towards conciliatory and wants to take it down, but I’d really appreciate hearing your thoughts.

How should you respond? This is actually a question I get a lot. It’s also one I’ve faced, myself, a lot since I tend to write things on the Internet that call out oppressive behavior and that make the people who have behaved in those (even unintentionally) oppressive ways very uncomfortable.

That’s the point. Whenever this happens, the person you’re writing about (but not identifying) is probably feeling pretty bad, which is actually how they should feel after doing something that cooperates with systematically indoctrinated cultural norms that are responsible for the sexual assault of billions of people. So, lacking an ability and desire to take a hard look at what just happened, they just want the awful feeling to go away. They reach for the first thing they’re familiar with that they think will make that happen: the “my privacy was violated” trope. They do this to silence you.

They try silencing you even while you’ve done absolutely nothing wrong. You didn’t even publish their message (something I do routinely, because I have the [male] privilege to stay relatively safer while not being a nice person). The post you wrote is not about the other person, but they know who they are.

This is the equivalent of an interruption of oppression that makes the person feel bad for being oppressive. Think of it this way:

  • Person A uses busted language.
  • Person B says, “When people use busted language…” instead of saying “Person A used busted language.”
  • Person A, in an in-person scenario, would know that Person B is referring to them, but would not say anything about it because the moment has passed and they can’t “undo” what was done. However, because this happened online, they want to have an “undo” and, since even though none of the people engaging in the discussion know who they are, Person A feels like they do know. The fact that there is not enough information from the reader’s perspective to correlate that data is irrelevant to the emotional impact from Person A’s point of view. Therefore, they ask you to take down your post, erasing the record of what happened in the eyes of future others.

That’s where the motivation to ask you to take such writing down is usually coming from. However, the only language most people have to express that motivation is to use the framework of “privacy violation.” In fact, that’s an inaccurate interpretation of what happened, even while it’s certainly a valid emotional response in many specific cases.

Therefore, if I were feeling especially generous (which is rare in such examples), I’d respond to the request with something along the lines of the following text:

I understand you feel as though some information about you has been revealed to others and you think I am the person who revealed these facts or behavioral traits. The fact of the matter is that the commenters to my post do not know who you are because I did not provide salient identifying details in my post about our exchange. I was, in fact, careful to protect your privacy.

So while I hear your concern, I invite you to consider that it is an unfounded one and not one that will have a direct negative impact on you, personally. Moreover, since my post was about my own response to our interaction, not about you or your message, it is not acceptable to me to be asked to remove my post. I have the right to publicize what I feel and I am choosing to exercise that right. If this makes you uncomfortable, perhaps taking a closer look at why my post makes you uncomfortable would ease your discomfort.

Sincerely,
-maymay

I’d then also create a backup copy of the thread in case other people intervene in a way that would remove the post. And yes, I’d then republish it elsewhere if The Powers That Be choose not to let your post stay published in their jurisdiction.

The bottom line is that, if you were waiting for permission to speak out, you have it. And you do get to break The Rules to do it. In fact, if you never break the rules, whether those are terms of use contracts, social niceties, or other codes of conduct, you’re always going to remain silent because The Rules are not there to protect you, they’re there to shut you up.

So, break the rules. Don’t let anyone (even and perhaps especially yourself) guilt you into feeling bad about it. And if someone does try that shit, tell them to take it up with me, ‘cause I’ve got your back.


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Voodoo Tiki Tequila uses date rape and rape culture to sell liquor. One of my friends sent this to me along with the following commentary:

So, apparently the guys at Voodoo Tiki Tequila think date rape is a cute thing to make ads about. Please share and react.
My letter to the marketing division:

Dear Sir or Madame;
I’m writing in regards to your ad in the April 2012 Harvard Lampoon on page 24. The ad depicts the feet of two people who are implied to be naked and the slogan “The Only Tequila Classified as a Weapon by Bachelors Worldwide”. Getting a girl drunk enough that she has sex with you when you know she wouldn’t have sex with you otherwise is called rape. I find the fact that your product appears to be recommending the use of your product to rape women disgusting. I would like to hope that this is simply a terribly faux pas. Please issue a public apology for this appalling ad. Until you do, I will continue to share this image with my friends and recommend that they do not purchase your product.
Sincerely,Arielle KubieMiddletown, CT

The email address, should you care to write your own letter, is Marketing@voodootiki.com.

The creator of Voodoo Tiki Tequila is John Taddeo, who is @JTCompany on Twitter. If you don’t have the energy to write a whole letter, send that person a tweet telling them advertising of this nature is unacceptable. (Other ways to contact John Taddeo include emailing them personally at JT@JohnTaddeo.com, calling them directly at (561) 702-6478, or sending a snail mail letter to 3907 North Federal Highway, Pompano Beach, FL. 33064. If you’re on Facebook, you can also write a complaint with a link to this post on Voodoo Tiki Tequila’s Facebook page.)
The image, by the way, is a stock photo whose creator apparently pictured red “so it can be used to support AIDS cause.” Voodoo Tiki Tequila isn’t a brand that seems to care about craftsmanship or originality, just profit. If on that fact alone, I would not purchase their product. Given their advertising, I encourage everyone to boycott it entirely.
If this product were any good, they wouldn’t need sexism to sell it.

Voodoo Tiki Tequila uses date rape and rape culture to sell liquor. One of my friends sent this to me along with the following commentary:

So, apparently the guys at Voodoo Tiki Tequila think date rape is a cute thing to make ads about. Please share and react.

My letter to the marketing division:

Dear Sir or Madame;

I’m writing in regards to your ad in the April 2012 Harvard Lampoon on page 24. The ad depicts the feet of two people who are implied to be naked and the slogan “The Only Tequila Classified as a Weapon by Bachelors Worldwide”. Getting a girl drunk enough that she has sex with you when you know she wouldn’t have sex with you otherwise is called rape. I find the fact that your product appears to be recommending the use of your product to rape women disgusting. I would like to hope that this is simply a terribly faux pas. Please issue a public apology for this appalling ad. Until you do, I will continue to share this image with my friends and recommend that they do not purchase your product.

Sincerely,
Arielle Kubie
Middletown, CT

The email address, should you care to write your own letter, is Marketing@voodootiki.com.

The creator of Voodoo Tiki Tequila is John Taddeo, who is @JTCompany on Twitter. If you don’t have the energy to write a whole letter, send that person a tweet telling them advertising of this nature is unacceptable. (Other ways to contact John Taddeo include emailing them personally at JT@JohnTaddeo.com, calling them directly at (561) 702-6478, or sending a snail mail letter to 3907 North Federal Highway, Pompano Beach, FL. 33064. If you’re on Facebook, you can also write a complaint with a link to this post on Voodoo Tiki Tequila’s Facebook page.)

The image, by the way, is a stock photo whose creator apparently pictured red “so it can be used to support AIDS cause.” Voodoo Tiki Tequila isn’t a brand that seems to care about craftsmanship or originality, just profit. If on that fact alone, I would not purchase their product. Given their advertising, I encourage everyone to boycott it entirely.

If this product were any good, they wouldn’t need sexism to sell it.


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Man: Hello, I’d like to report a mugging.
Officer: A mugging, eh? Where did it take place?
Man: I was walking by 21st and Dundritch Street and a man pulled out a gun and said, “Give me all your money.”
Officer: And did you?
Man: Yes, I co-operated.
Officer: So you willingly gave the man your money without fighting back, calling for help or trying to escape?
Man: Well, yes, but I was terrified. I thought he was going to kill me!
Officer: Mmm. But you did co-operate with him. And I’ve been informed that you’re quite a philanthropist, too.
Man: I give to charity, yes.
Officer: So you like to give money away. You make a habit of giving money away.
Man: What does that have to do with this situation?
Officer: You knowingly walked down Dundritch Street in your suit when everyone knows you like to give away money, and then you didn’t fight back. It sounds like you gave money to someone, but now you’re having after-donation regret. Tell me, do you really want to ruin his life because of your mistake?
Man: This is ridiculous!
Officer: This is a rape analogy. This is what women face every single day when they try to bring their rapists to justice.
(via @rayfilar)

Man: Hello, I’d like to report a mugging.

Officer: A mugging, eh? Where did it take place?

Man: I was walking by 21st and Dundritch Street and a man pulled out a gun and said, “Give me all your money.”

Officer: And did you?

Man: Yes, I co-operated.

Officer: So you willingly gave the man your money without fighting back, calling for help or trying to escape?

Man: Well, yes, but I was terrified. I thought he was going to kill me!

Officer: Mmm. But you did co-operate with him. And I’ve been informed that you’re quite a philanthropist, too.

Man: I give to charity, yes.

Officer: So you like to give money away. You make a habit of giving money away.

Man: What does that have to do with this situation?

Officer: You knowingly walked down Dundritch Street in your suit when everyone knows you like to give away money, and then you didn’t fight back. It sounds like you gave money to someone, but now you’re having after-donation regret. Tell me, do you really want to ruin his life because of your mistake?

Man: This is ridiculous!

Officer: This is a rape analogy. This is what women face every single day when they try to bring their rapists to justice.

(via @rayfilar)


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If speaking up means breaking The Rules, let’s fucking break them.

Posts about abuse in the BDSM Scene are making their way through the blogosphere, and they’re predictably heated thanks to certain facets of domist rape culture present there. The first comment was from a self-identified 28 year old female bottom, who said:

wow…traumatized?? i think [Kitty] likes the attention and its some fetish thing to her

More than 90 comments followed. And then came General Disarray’s mighty smack-down on all these horribly callous sentiments:

We are – it’s inevitable – going to be uniquely attractive as a community to a subset of predators. I don’t think I need to go in to the reasons why - they should be self-evident. Additionally, many people who enter the scene do not do so as fully mature people secure in themselves. For many people, entering the scene will be the start of a voyage of discovery, a road that they start down vulnerable and unsure of themselves. The combination those two factors is bad.

We as a community need to be prepared to aggressively deal with predators, even in (especially in) situations where the people they are preying on are not capable of dealing with predators adequately on their own. If we aren’t, we are failing in a very significant way. I’m not saying that we hold direct responsibility for people who are assaulted, raped, etc - we don’t - but we’re still failing in an absolutely inexcusable way.

I am not worried about my personal safety – since I’m a guy, it’s pretty unlikely that I’ll be in a situation that I physically cannot escape from, and thanks to my background and support structures I feel comfortable in saying that if anything of this nature does happen to me, I’ll be able to string up my attacker in front of the community, and, if necessary, in front of a judge.

But I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect everyone to be able to say the same thing – but that’s frankly besides the point. Even if it were reasonable to expect everyone to do the same thing (and it’s not, but that’s beyond my scope here) from a practical standpoint we have to realize that not everyone is going to do so. As a community (and especially as a community where so many newcomers will be young and just beginning to come in to themselves) we have a moral mandate to, to the greatest extent possible, safeguard our members from predation. It doesn’t matter if those who are preyed upon are often unusually vulnerable members of our community – that’s almost inherent in predation. It certainly doesn’t exculpate us from our responsibility to ensure as best we can that it happens as little as possible.

If you respond to a thread like this with suggestions that [survivors] should have been more self-aware then please, GTFO. I can guarantee that the vast majority of potential victims in the community are painfully aware of that status. If anyone truly isn’t, then it’s unfortunate but that problem can be addressed in a productive way – say, by running a self-defense course, or helping to produce literature that explains options to [survivors], or even literature that explains options to not-yet-victims. Bringing it up on a thread like this is worse than useless. Regardless of whether or not you intend it as victim-blaming, it’ll sure feel like that to anyone wandering by who has been victimized or is vulnerable – your intentionality doesn’t matter two shits.

I’m sure someone somewhere is reading this and thinking “But Disarray, we’re doing all we can do! Now it’s up to victims to speak out and call the cops, etc!” And that’s fucking horseshit. For an easy example of what we could be doing better – why don’t DM’s regularly receive abuse response training? Even when I lived in the middle of buttfuck nowhere in Pennsylvania there were half a dozen organizations that offered, for free, such training within an hour’s drive. I’m sure there are more here – the Bay Area is generally more progressive than Amish country.

For an even easier example take a look at the first reply to this thread. If you were an eighteen year old sub new to the scene that had had a ‘problem’ with a long-established community member, how comfortable do you think you would feel bringing it up after reading a reply like that? This thread after that point should have been a steady stream of people going WTF are you talking about, but it wasn’t. It took nine replies before someone challenged the first reply – and even then, the person doing so was the person who wrote the article in the first place. The fact that there has been an ongoing argument on this thread is emblematic of the problem in the first place.

There is also a practical consideration that I don’t think has been explicitly discussed here that I find worth mentioning – if this is our response when people are victimized, we will continue to be scorned by most of society. And frankly, if this is our first response in incidents like this, we probably deserve it.

(I changed two instances of the word “victims” to “survivor” because when speaking of someone who has experienced assault and is still living, “survivor” seems more apt than “victim.”)

There’s only one more thing I have to add to this, which is the following: I’m signal-boosting/cross-posting this outside of FetLife because stuff like this is important enough to break every self-protective, liability-limiting rule over. And if speaking up means breaking The Rules, let’s fucking break them.


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